Starting your own business in France

May 11th, 2010  |  Published in Comment, Features, Info & Advice, Work & Study  |  8 Comments

URSSAF - another elegant French acronym

Patrick Owen shares his experience starting an English teaching business, becoming an Auto-entrepreneur and dealing with France’s particular administrative complexity and love of acronyms.  

So as I come to the end of my ACCRE, I’ve contacted the URSSAF who told me to contact the APCE.  I also contacted the RSI and the CIPAV but had no response.  Therefore I sent an email to the CNAVPL.  I must, also, remember to send my annual report to the DRTEPF.  If all of this sounds like double Dutch, welcome to my world, since I started my own business.  I knew the French administration loved acronyms having lived in France for eight years, dealing with the CAF, EDF, GDF, etc.  However, when I set up my own company I entered a whole new ball game. 

After working in various language schools I decided to work for myself.  Everyone warned me against it; “It’s really complicated,” and, “The charges are really high,” were just two of the comments I heard.  It is amazing that France has so many small businesses, when you hear all the negative reactions.  In the beginning, I wasn’t sure what type of business to create with various projects in mind.  However, I soon discovered that in France, once you have trained to do one thing changing direction is not easy. Changing careers involves financial and time investments that I did not have.  I therefore decided to set up a language teaching business, since this was what I knew best. 

Now, it might be useful to explain why I had decided to set up my own business.  Many language schools will employ teachers on freelance contracts, as I had discovered during my first year in France.  The problem is that to work for a business school or university, where the better pay rates are, you need a principal employer.  In addition, for a reason that I can only speculate at, few employers are willing to sign the paper agreeing to be your principal employer.  There are two solutions: one is to use a société de portage, the other is to be your own employer.  The société de portage acts as your employer, in the sense that they take care of all the administrative paperwork, of course for this service they take a fee.  My feeling was that the fee charged didn’t really justify the work involved,  I therefore decided to set up for myself. 

I attended an event held by my local Chamber of Commerce, which didn’t turn out to be much help.  I was unable to get answers to my questions and, as I was not setting up a commercial activity, they were not the right people to ask.  In the end, it was internet forums that proved to be the most help.  I typed my questions into Google and sifted through the responses.  It was here that I learnt I would have to see the URSSAF.  They seem to be the organisation that catches the companies who are not commercial or tradesmen.  I also discovered that provided I didn’t earn too much and didn’t employ anyone else, the process was fairly simple. 

I printed a form on the internet and headed for the URSSAF.  I had been told I didn’t need an appointment.  This worried me slightly, as I had experienced the queues at the Social Security and the Prefecture.  I was pleasantly surprised to be received within ten minutes of my arrival by a pleasant and helpful adviser.  She rapidly entered my details and answered my questions, in less than an hour I was in business, literally.  She offered me a free appointment with an accountant and, best of all, showed me I was eligible for a dispensation of social taxes for one year.  I left the URSSAF with a whole different image of the French administration. 

The dispensation for one year is important and a big helping hand.  Normally a company’s charges are fixed for the first and second years.  Then the third year’s charges are calculated on the real income of the second year.  The problem is that, although, the first year’s charges are relatively light, in the second they double and this kills a lot of small businesses.  Now, certain categories of business creators, the unemployed for example, can ask for a first year free of charges.  I qualified because, although I resigned, I had been looking after my kids one day a week and received income support.  This taught me that you have to read everything because there is often an advantageous exception which you may not always be told about. 

While surfing the internet, I also discovered that if I wanted to teach in companies I would need to make a déclaration d’activité with the DRTEFP (Direction Régionale du Travail, de l’Emploi et de la Formation Professionnelle).  In France, companies are obliged to pay a tax towards the training of their employees.  This tax is often collected by organisations which manage the training funds.  These organisations will only accept training courses run by companies who have made the declaration.  Many people wrongly refer to it as an agreement, however the DRTEFP are very strict in their literature that it is not an agreement from the state, merely a declaration.  

I discovered that with the right documentation, a curriculum vitae, a casier judiciaire vierge (a document you can order online showing you have never committed a crime), and your first training contract the procedure was straightforward.  It is the contract which can be a little complicated, if you haven’t got a declaration number how can you sign a contract?  I got around this problem by noting that my declaration was being processed, and offering my first client a clause whereby if I didn’t get the number the contract was null and void. 

I treated starting my business rather as a challenge and as time went on it became a puzzle, for which I was never sure I had all the pieces.  To be honest I enjoyed pitting myself against the French administration and proving those who said it would be hard to do wrong.  It must be said that I chose the simplest possible structure and being a teacher, who teaches in companies, I have very few overheads. 

It is worth mentioning in conclusion that a law was passed in 2008 making it even easier for freelance teachers.  The status of Auto-entrepreneur is designed for people who may have multiple employers as well as working for themselves.  The process of setting up is very simple and can even be done online.  The real boost however comes in terms of charges and tax.  The Auto-entrepreneur can choose to declare his turnover each month or trimester.  The social charges and tax are calculated based on what he declares and paid immediately.  This avoids the nasty bills arriving one year after a good year.  It also means that if you have a month with no income you pay nothing.  This regime is much more sensible for someone like me. 

Unfortunately, and here is the downside of my experience, getting information about this new status has been hard.  I have read the law and the Auto-entrepreneur’s handbook.  As a sole trader I can ask to benefit from the same regime, and I have done so which brings us back to the beginning of the article.  The acronyms are all the people I have contacted to ask for help changing my status.  

On the whole my experience has been positive; the principal problem has been people.  Everything one needs to know is on the internet.  When dealing with employees of the various administrations it is a case of pot luck.  The first person I saw was excellent, others have been less so.  I once made the mistake of phoning on the day of a strike, my call was answered after prolonged ringing by a harassed and unhelpful lady.  I blame myself for this one, though, after three years in France I should have known you don’t phone the public service on strike days, I was lucky someone answered.  My advice is to be determined, do your research and treat the experience as fun, and you will be fine. 

Patrick Owen
www.englishcoach38.com
letter-from-france.blogspot.com

Useful sites:www.lautoentrepreneur.frwww.urssaf.fr/profil/createurs_dentreprise

www.apce.com


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  1. Kelly Rigotti says:

    May 11th, 2010 at 2:37 pm (#)

    I have been an autoentrepreneur for nearly a year now. Contrary to the author’s experience, my experience of going to the CCI was very positive and helpful. I also found the process of actually becoming an autoentrepreneur very, very easy.

    The CCI has a series of workshops and trainings for companies that are just starting out called ‘Ecobiz’- they’re worth looking into!

  2. Woody says:

    May 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm (#)

    Very interesting article and extremely pertinent to me! Thanks for sharing your experience, I must admit that I was beginning to feel a little hesitant about becoming an Auto-entrepreneur…

    Woody

    P.S. Do all auto-entrepreneurs have to contact the DRTEPF?

  3. Helen McEwan says:

    May 17th, 2010 at 2:42 pm (#)

    My experience has been very similar to yours Patrick. In contrast to Kelly’s experience, when I went to the CCI I was informed that I was in the wrong place too. But I have come to expect this response now…. I still haven’t heard from RSI, and I find that although URSSAF was happy enough signing me up to autoentrepeneur regime, they don’t like to help out with queries after that point as they say everything should be done via the internet. Thanks for putting your experience down for us all to learn from!

  4. Christina Rebuffet-Broadus says:

    May 19th, 2010 at 3:03 pm (#)

    This article couldn’t come at a better time! I have been thinking about setting myself up as an auto-entrepreneur in writing and translation for a while now (just waiting to go pick up my renewed residency card next week!).

    It sounds like most experiences in France–a lot of research needed before hand to get through the
    bureaucrat-ese but once you’ve assembled the 137 documents they ask for, it should flow rather smoothly.

    Just a question, can you complete all the auto-entrepreneur formalities via internet or do you have to do some things over the net and some things in person?

    Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience. I think it is something that really concerns our little expat community.

    P.S. Patrick, did you use to work at the Chamber of Commerce? I’m pretty sure I used to work with you a couple of years ago…

  5. Patrick says:

    May 21st, 2010 at 8:30 am (#)

    Hi

    First of all, I should say I’m not an Auto- entrepreneur. I set up as an independent before this law was passed. I would be wary if you want to use this statue as an employer principal to work at University, etc, make sure they will really except it as your employeer principal.
    Second, You don’t have to contact the DRETFP unless you want a ‘numero d’activite’ which allows you to be paid by the OPCA’s who manage company training budgets.
    As far as I know the whole auto-entrepreneur process can be done on line. But if you need help go and see the URSSAF. Kelly was lucky with the CCI, but I worked there full time for five years and I know what they are like.
    Finally yes Christina we did work together at the CCI.

  6. Woody says:

    May 21st, 2010 at 8:39 pm (#)

    Well I actually set myself up as an auto-entrepreneur today. It was quick yes and I would recommend doing it online as going to URSSAF is useless. The workshops they run are fully booked months in advance (at the moment, the earliest availability is at the beginning of June), so I’d suggest calling to get into one of these.

    For teachers, unless you will be working entirely with individuals, I wouldn’t recommend this option. When I mentioned that I might consider teaching as a secondary activity, the woman at URSSAF went off on a big speech about how you can’t do this and you can’t do that and they have very stringent rules, which are checked thoroughly and regularly.

    The CCI appears to have general workshops every Tuesday at 13:45. Admission is free and open to everyone, no need to sign up or anything. Although, they won’t be able to give any advice on your particular activity.

    If you are eligible for the ACCRE, it’s a good idea to do it at the same time as setting up as an auto-entrepreneur as you can get special benefits when starting up. I’m glad a friend told me about this because otherwise I’d have had no idea what it was all about!

    I find the fact that it’s so easy to do a bit daunting, but I’ve been told it’s all above board and entirely normal. So, we’ll see how it goes ;)

    Woody

  7. Christina Rebuffet-Broadus says:

    May 28th, 2010 at 8:51 am (#)

    Great advice. Patrick, thanks for pointing out that your auto-entrepreneur status doesn’t qualify you as your own “employeur principal.” I may be looking to pick up a few teaching hours at the university in addition to my writing activities, so it’s important to know that.

    Can anyone explain the difference between being an “auto-entrepreneur” and an “indépendant” in terms of tax payments, charges, and working elsewhere?

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    October 12th, 2011 at 1:02 pm (#)

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